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Old 03-28-2011, 06:49 PM
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What encryption does Rollback use AES, Blowfish, 3DES...?

Does Rollback encrypt the pagefile and hibernate file? If not does it protect the decryption keys from leaving ram?

"Keep these files or folders unchanged when rollback system to another snapshot" does Rollback encrypt these files/folders or are they kept out of the snapshots.

Does Rollback have any recovery system for the encrypted files if something goes horribly wrong?

Is there any detailed documentation on the encryption part of Rollback the help file pretty much just says check the box and its safe.


Trying to decide whether to use BitLocker + Rollback or Rollback with encryption enabled.

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Old 03-30-2011, 01:35 PM
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What encryption does Rollback use AES, Blowfish, 3DES...?

Does Rollback encrypt the pagefile and hibernate file? If not does it protect the decryption keys from leaving ram?

"Keep these files or folders unchanged when rollback system to another snapshot" does Rollback encrypt these files/folders or are they kept out of the snapshots.

Does Rollback have any recovery system for the encrypted files if something goes horribly wrong?

Is there any detailed documentation on the encryption part of Rollback the help file pretty much just says check the box and its safe.


Trying to decide whether to use BitLocker + Rollback or Rollback with encryption enabled.
Hello 342534352,

Welcome to the Horizon DataSys forum. Although it may not answer your question completely, there is documentation in the Support Portal. Just type in "encryption" in the search field on the upper left-hand side: Horizon DataSys Support Portal
I'll flag this for Nick and see if we can get some additional insight here.

Best,
Jacob

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Old 03-30-2011, 02:35 PM
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What encryption does Rollback use AES, Blowfish, 3DES...?

Does Rollback encrypt the pagefile and hibernate file? If not does it protect the decryption keys from leaving ram?

"Keep these files or folders unchanged when rollback system to another snapshot" does Rollback encrypt these files/folders or are they kept out of the snapshots.

Does Rollback have any recovery system for the encrypted files if something goes horribly wrong?

Is there any detailed documentation on the encryption part of Rollback the help file pretty much just says check the box and its safe.


Trying to decide whether to use BitLocker + Rollback or Rollback with encryption enabled.
As far as I know the answers are:

1. It does not use any encryption.
2. Rollback DOES NOT encrypt the pagefile and hibernate file
3. Rollback DOES NOT encrypt these files/folders; essentially they are kept out of the snapshots.
4. Rollback DOES NOT have any recovery system for the encrypted files.
5. There is NO detailed documentation on the encryption part of Rollback...as there isn't any encryption.

Not sure where you got the encryption idea from? Perhaps you would like to elaborate on that so we can see if we can help you?

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Old 03-30-2011, 03:00 PM
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Truth be told - RollBack Rx snapshots are encrypted. In many cases, our corporate clients use RollBack Rx for this reason as well. If you had installed RollBack Rx onto your PC about 6 months ago... and continued to take regular snapshots etc.. If anyone where to remove your hard drive and place it into another PC as a slave drive and tried to access your files; they would only be able to see the files that existed 6 months ago. That is, they would only be able to see the files that existed on your original PC, before RollBack Rx was installed.

All of the other files and folder contained within the other snapshot maps are not visible... Knowing this many of our clients choose not to use a third party encryption utility.

Let me know if this information helps you out.
From Encryption options with Rollback on XP

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It is worth noting: With regards to Drive encryption - why do you require this when you have RollBack Rx? When RollBack Rx is installed your drive is automatically encrypted by RollBack Rx... Suppose your RollBack Rx protected drive has been taken out of your system and is placed as a slave drive into another system. What would the user be able to see? They would not be able to see any of your current data... All that they would be able to see is the data contained in your BASELINE snapshot only... Depending on when this baseline was last updated would determine what is visible to the Windows OS file system.
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Old 03-30-2011, 03:16 PM
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The idea that RBRx encrypts the drive rather destroys any hypothesis I had formed to understand what it does.

In my view of things, the data is still there, in disc sectors that are only indexed by RBRx's internal mechanism and therefore inaccessible by normal filesystem accesses. A sector viewer would still see the data, even if it was a bit of a jumble to piece together.

As regard to keeping data private, the solution is simple: do as most of us do and keep user files separate from OS files on a different partition that is not RBRx-protected, and then you can run any disc encryption package you like.
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Hi 342534352

Whilst I see what you are getting at I would dispute whether what you are referring to is really 'encryption' in the sense of say what TrueCrypt, etc. provide, and if all you need is a copy of RB Rx on the PC that you mount the stolen drive then that is not rocket science to organise when compared to trying to crack a strong password protected encrypted volume. Still, based on what Nick10 has stated, it would seem that I stand corrected.

Personally, if I where looking for encryption I would not rely on RB Rx but use an app specifically designed for that sort of work...did I already mention TrueCrypt and the like?
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The idea that RBRx encrypts the drive rather destroys any hypothesis I had formed to understand what it does.

In my view of things, the data is still there, in disc sectors that are only indexed by RBRx's internal mechanism and therefore inaccessible by normal filesystem accesses. A sector viewer would still see the data, even if it was a bit of a jumble to piece together.

As regard to keeping data private, the solution is simple: do as most of us do and keep user files separate from OS files on a different partition that is not RBRx-protected, and then you can run any disc encryption package you like.
From what I have read that is how it works but can encrypt those sectors... you cannot enable the encryption unless you choose a password but then again you can create multiple users/passwords that unlock it. So I am just confused :\
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Hi 342534352

Whilst I see what you are getting at I would dispute whether what you are referring to is really 'encryption' in the sense of say what TrueCrypt, etc. provide, and if all you need is a copy of RB Rx on the PC that you mount the stolen drive then that is not rocket science to organise when compared to trying to crack a strong password protected encrypted volume. Still, based on what Nick10 has stated, it would seem that I stand corrected.

Personally, if I where looking for encryption I would not rely on RB Rx but use an app specifically designed for that sort of work...did I already mention TrueCrypt and the like?
Would use Truecrypt but they don't work together... Bitlocker is suppose to work with it but having trouble at the moment because the installer cannot see any of my partitions on my Bitlocked installation. Have just been testing Rollback in a VM but Bitlocker does not work in a VM lol
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If it doesn't use encryption then the data is not encrypted it is just hidden but then again it is already hidden before you enable security that is suppose to do encryption... that is what I want details on.
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Old 03-30-2011, 11:08 PM
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Save yourself a lot of trouble and encrypt user data using proven technology in a separate volume.
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